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Hm

"Balinese Hinduism is deeply interwoven with art and ritual, and is less preoccupied with scripture, law, and belief than Islam in Indonesia"

This makes it seem as if the islam in the rest of indonesia (java, sumatra) is followed like it should. This is not the case, there are many occasions where the common indonesian follows ancient traditions instead of islamic law etc. 81.68.255.36 (talk) 00:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most of Balinese came to Bali Island after Islam entered Java. Beside is culture and religion, supposed many Balinese are craftmens from previous Hindu Palace in Java Island. With domination of Hinduism of Balinese people (a few Balinese are Muslim), so for centuries, the culture in Bali is still same.Gsarwa (talk) 06:38, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Greece

"Bali received the Best Island award from Travel and Leisure in 2010. [31] The island of Bali won because of its attractive surroundings (both mountain and coastal areas), diverse tourist attractions, excellent international and local restaurants, and the friendliness of the local people. According to BBC Travel released in 2011, Bali is one of the World's Best Islands, rank in second after Greece.[32]"

Greece is not an island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.76.66.70 (talk) 10:36, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Every institution has own categories. The category maybe island and mainland, but the other institution category maybe mixed it. Most of Greece certainly mainland, but Greece has also several islands and even previous ship tycoon Onassis has an own island.Gsarwa (talk) 06:46, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bali → Bali Province – The name is Provinsi Bali. The article is about the province. If there is a primary topic it would maybe be Bali Island. But that is a separate debate and can be solved later. Furthermore, except for the Philippines, all other provinces in the ASEAN area use the full name, "Foo Province". A redirect can be left for now. AsianGeographer (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence for full name usage: 1) ASEAN provinces: Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam 2) ASEAN non-province countries: Burma (regions, states), Brunei (districts), Singapore (CDC and regions). 3) Asia provinces: Afghanistan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Provinces of Iran, North Korea, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Japan. AsianGeographer (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- But "Bali" is the common name for the island, not for the province. AsianGeographer (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Wikipedia's naming policy requires us to use the common name. The name that is most easily recognisable by the most number of people. WP:NAME and WP:UCN. The only reason to add the word "province" would be to disambiguate between two articles - which in this case is not necessary. Showing some examples of the usage you support doesn't convince me. There are many counter examples for using the current usage. Ie, in Indonesia: Central Java, West Java, East Java, and a number of other provinces. What about New South Wales and other Australian states? Texas? --Merbabu (talk) 23:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no New South Wales Island. But there are many other meanings for Bali. And the primary meaning is the island, if there is any. AsianGeographer (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Crisco and Merbabu SatuSuro 23:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Their reasoning is not correct, since the primary meaning, if there is any, is the island, not the province. AsianGeographer (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Indeed, Bali is a province and an island. But for intents and purposes they are 99% interchangeable and congruous. There is no practical or effective reason to split them up. that just creates confusion, especially the way you are doing it. And you have no consensus. so please achieve that first before continuing. thank you --Merbabu (talk) 23:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - And it is much more, see Bali (disambiguation). If you ask people outside Indonesia, they would maybe say Bali is an island. The province is just not the primary meaning. I think it is inappropriate that only the view of people closely related to Indonesia is taken into account when the determination of the primary meaning is done. Other example: Taiwan Island vs. Taiwan Province. AsianGeographer (talk) 23:50, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Friends travelled to Bali recently. "We're going to Bali" mean 2 nights in Ubud, 1 night in Seminyak, and 7 days in Nusa Lambongan which they understood was part of Bali. --Merbabu (talk) 23:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        It is inappropriate to only use friends of certain editors to determine the primary topic. What about friends from Ethiopia, India, ... AsianGeographer (talk) 23:54, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. Please refer to my comments above. Nusa Lambongan is widely understood to be part of Bali. --Merbabu (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Part of Provinsi Bali, but not part of Pulau Bali. And if you ask my father, he wouldn't know what Nusa Lambongan is. But he would probably know that Bali is an island. Some years ago, I didn't know Indonesia has provinces, but for many more years, I knew that it has island. On each globe one can see island, satellite images show islands. They don't show provinces. And the provinces exist for less than 100 years. For how long do the islands exist? Please see Bali (disambiguation), there you find meanings of "Bali" related to India, Ethiopia, Bhutan, Cameroon, Nigeria, Taiwan. AsianGeographer (talk) 00:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Sorry, but your argument doesn't convince me. There is no benefit gained. People may be ignorant of Indonesian provinces, or the status of Bali, but that can be easily explained in the Bali article - creating new articles doesn't help that. --Merbabu (talk) 00:39, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        The one has to read the article first. If the names are clear, the type of topic is explained by the title already. "Bali Province" would be about a province and "Bali Island" about an island. The province is a recent creation, the island is much older. And likely they will disappear in the order: province first, island later. AsianGeographer (talk) 06:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - while I agree with AsianGeographer that the main topic for the name "Bali" is the island, not the administrative division, this article focuses so heavily on the island itself (for example, the "history" section is about the island's history, not the province's) that it would be unhelpful to move it - we'd have to move the vast majority of the content back into the island article. Huon (talk) 00:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention what I'm guessing are 100s or 1000s of links throughout wikipedia that will have to be changed. --Merbabu (talk) 00:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the history is in the wrong article, it should be moved to the right article -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 06:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is extremely similar to the discussion currently going on at Talk:Autonomous Republic of Crimea, which looks like it will be moving back to Crimea, so I'll repeat what I said in that discussion. The naming conventions specifically deal with this sort of case. We are advised to use France, not French Republic; Italy, not Italian Republic; and Germany, not Federal Republic of Germany. Crimea falls into the same pattern. So does Bali. The case of Taiwan quoted above is somewhat different, as Taiwan, the country, is not the same as Taiwan Province. The country includes Taiwan Province and Fujian Province, even though the latter consists of just a few islands which were formerly part of Fujian, which is now part of China. The article at Bali Island is a content fork, and should be merged back into this article. Skinsmoke (talk) 00:14, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not correct: The primary topic for France is the country - not the case for Bali and the province. I didn't say that Taiwan the country is the same as the province. If you re-read, you see I didn't mention the country of Taiwan at all. I mentioned Taiwan Island and Taiwan Province. Fujian Province has nothing to do with that. Please check the corresponding articles. AsianGeographer (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, but how do you figure that the primary topic for "Bali" is not, um, "Bali"? --Merbabu (talk) 01:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - I don't figure that out. But I see no evidence that the province is the primary topic for the term "Bali". I personally would assume the most common meaning is the island. But it could be equal with the province. That means there is no primary topic at all, like for Washington. Even if one common name for Washington DC is "Washington". AsianGeographer (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As per WP:UCN. -Kai445 (talk) 08:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- And where is the prove that the primary topic for that ambiguous name is the province? AsianGeographer (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per WP:COMMONNAME.Yogwi21^talk 13:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- And where is the prove that the primary topic for that ambiguous name is the province? AsianGeographer (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is the Island, and the WP:COMMONNAME of the island is "Bali", so Bali Island should be renamed to Bali, and the province should be renamed to Bali Province -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 06:18, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Even if there was a separate article for Isle of Bali, I would think that the province Bali would be the primary topic, and the most common name. As it is right now, this article covers both (This article is about the Indonesian island., Bali is a province in the country of Indonesia. The province covers a few small neighbouring islands as well as the isle of Bali.) Apteva (talk) 02:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment the island article has been merged into this article, so the situation has become moot. I think the cache fell behind when I checked it before. (sometimes it seems to show things a week or two out of date) -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 07:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - For your information, the island article was created after this move request, by the author of the move request. --Merbabu (talk) 07:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Possible copyright problem

This article has been revised as part of a large-scale clean-up project of multiple article copyright infringement. (See the investigation subpage) Earlier text must not be restored, unless it can be verified to be free of infringement. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions must be deleted. Contributors may use sources as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously. Diannaa (talk) 22:39, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of 'Climate'

There is no information of any kind about the climate or weather, which is what I came to the page looking for.Blurryman (talk) 22:20, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Right now Wikivoyage:Bali#Understand is quite good. I will attempt to create suitably referenced climate section for this article.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 14:33, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Possible plagiarism (and dead source link)

This sounds like plagiarism, but the link is dead so I can't tell for sure:

"Tens of thousands of single women throng the beaches of Bali in Indonesia every year. For decades, young Balinese men have taken advantage of the louche and laid-back atmosphere to find love and lucre from female tourists—Japanese, European and Australian for the most part—who by all accounts seem perfectly happy with the arrangement."

Here's the (currently unreachable) reference given: http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2440&Itemid=202

The exact same text appears in Prostitution in Indonesia and Female sex tourism.

--Allen (talk) 20:21, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sex tourism section removed

I really do not see what it added to the article, considering no other article about Indonesian provinces has a section about it. --Toomanyaccountsargh (talk) 11:50, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat, I do not see the value in having a section about sex tourism when no other article about an Indonesian province does. --Toomanyaccountsargh (talk) 12:31, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed... maybe this issue is better addressed in Prostitution in Indonesia article, since actually prostitution in Indonesia is not monopolized by the Bali province. Gunkarta talk 12:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thirded. The entire inclusion of that section was a direct dig at me. I'm surprised it lasted this long. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:53, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar in "Caste systems"

Why is Present Perfect used there? Isn't the section talking about "pre-modern Bali"?--Adûnâi (talk) 10:04, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

British divers films sea of plastic rubbish off Bali

[[1]] Sonna.j (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Conflicting Religion statistics

In the Religion infobox section, the data there represents that 91.97% of Bali practices Hinduism. This is conflicting with the information in the lede, stating:

> Bali is the only Hindu-majority province in Indonesia, with 86.9% of the population adhering to Balinese Hinduism.

The claim made in the infobox cites a 2018 stats tracking website, while the claim made in the lede cites a 2010 census which is used for almost all other population statistics in the article. pauliesnug ^{(message / contribs)} 20:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New addition in infobox

I hope that the info box for the regional representative council and the provincial regional secretary can be displayed in the info box like governor and deputy Governor , because this is the second central government after the governor and deputy governor of Bali so it must be displayed like in Indonesian Wikipedia, i also noticed that the house speaker is also displayed in the Indonesia country info box in english Wikipedia provinces should also be able to be displayed to complete the info box. Tourist North Bali (talk) 13:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing of this goes beyond "I want it that way", and apparently you don't care if other people think otherwise (e.g. User:Davidelit. Quote: "Unnecessary detail", "Just because it is on Indonesian "Wikipedia", that doesn't mean it's appropriate here. It makes the inbox too crowded."), which is a bad thing to do in a collaborative project like Wikipedia.

For another rationale not to include all this in the infobox, I can add our manual of style (MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE), which says we shouldn't have anything in the infobox that isn't mentioned in the main article text as well. The infobox summarizes key facts. –Austronesier (talk) 13:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]